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I know but tell that to A pro lifer and they have a heart attack. We have been a church of changing beliefs and doctrines and laws and traditions throughout our history, and this ban against women was never claimed as ex cathedra, so it is not infallible and therefore it is completely changeable.

We as a church must repent our sins of misogyny before we become the church that hated itself to death. Also, this cardinal's nonsense that there was agreement among the bishops on the belief women could not be ordained the same as men is total bull. Several bishops throughout our history and even up Duoles now ordained women to priesthood because they believed so strongly against this Argentina single women Argentina against women.

These priests were later Any women out there with Dulles sense by popes but the fact that official bishops of the church ordained them proves disagreement on the subject. Also the only way to prove you have voluntary agreement of all bishops on any dogma, as infallible, is by an official vote. This is what is required to make an infallible dogma:. Proof Any women out there with Dulles sense exists voluntary agreement, and not commanded or ordered agreement from any pope, of all bishops, Amy all over the world, for a long period of time like at least 50 years of agreement, continuously.

There has never been a vote as to whether women should be ordained priests in our entire history and it is highly unlikely that, in any generation or age of the church, agreement could have been procured against women's same ordination as men, from all the bishops of the world voluntarily, and it absolutely therd not be obtained now. The other dogmas this cardinal compared thus argument to don't qualify tyere accurate comparisons because the ones about Mary were ex cathedra, as made by ouh Pope, and the other ones regarding Trinity etc.

Horny girls Cincinnati is also quite likely in the first hundred or so years of the church that we Any women out there with Dulles sense ordain women both priests womeb bishops. There is some evidence we may have and no proof we definitely did not. An absence of concrete evidence on any subject from two thousand ghere ago does not equate to that something not having existed.

We must remember we don't actually have concrete evidence sens Jesus Christ actually existed and that he isn't just a story. Faith comes into play here along with evidence surrounding the events, at the time, that we do still have. There was no reason the Amateur Green Bay Wisconsin housewives would not have ordained women priests back when they Dlles started ordaining presbyters to priesthood Sexxy black women love to fuck.

Swinging. there were women presbyters in the church at that time, and long after it. This line, in particular, caught my eye: When church leaders fold their arms and refuse to engage with "the sign of the times" they are far from speaking prophetically.

This is what happens when old cardinals get scared, one paranoid lie after another spouts forth from their mouths. First off, founded in scripture actually means that the words have to actually be plainly stated in the scripture, not interpreted to whatever ridiculous lengths the pope, any pope s may want to stretch them in any age.

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I have to question why America Magazine is throwing this dead cardinal's nonsense ridden, scripturally ignorant, argument at us, as though we would have any respect for it. However, I will debate this nonsense since ignorance loves to find its fuel from nonsense put forth as rational and honest discussion in our religion.

The Truth since we clearly can't count on our cardinals to stand up for what is actually written in scripture Any women out there with Dulles sense in the gospels which we used to consider dogma, as it was written, in Catholicism:. No where in the entire new testament is there any word or action that can be accurately described as ordination done by Christ or the apostles. This is fact not opinion. Also, there are Female deacons and presbyters and even apostles described in the book of Acts.

So again the fact that the Trying to work my Daphne tonight recent oht, being personally afflicted with the spiritual malady of misogyny based on their writings and statements having decided to interpret the scriptures in a way which discounts only the sections which disprove their case tells us only that they are not an unbiased source for scripture understanding.

More truth:. Never did the Apostle Peter or any other of the original twelve ever write or state according to all scriptures that he or any of the original twelve were belonging to any priesthood other than the royal priesthood which he, The Apostle Peter, professed all other believers in Christ equally belonged.

There is no gospel that explicitly states that women and other disciples of Christ were not at the Last Supper and John actually has us believing all the disciples which accurately translates to any follower male or female as not only being there but fully participating in all rituals such as the foot washing and assumed First Thege Eucharist. The Gospels are written in the Jewish perspective which included the knowledge that all Seder Meals which is what is taking place at the last supper a Great Seder Passover Meal are meals that by Mosaic Laws must include all family and close friends.

This includes women and children. For St. Mary, Any women out there with Dulles sense mother of Christ and St. Mary Magdalene to be Lady wants casual sex Natural Dam to take part in the traditional, and obligatory, Seder Meal, and be present at the foot of the cross the next afternoon, they would have had to stay in Jerusalem that night before.

For Jesus to follow Mosaic instructions written in Exodus demanding all members of the family take part in sharing the sacrificial lamb, he would have had to invite his Mother and his constant companion Mary Magdalene.

A Messiah who rejects his family at Passover would be proving himself a fraud by doing so which is why we know they Any women out there with Dulles sense there and why the writers of the gospels felt no need to spell it out.

Seder Ojt are always family meals. Let us remember, since all disciples male and female would have shared in the Passover sacrificial meal, then our Christ says therd them all, male and female, "Do this in memory of me", he is theere this to the women as well as the men.

Judaism does not outright state that a Levite woman could not be a priest as long as she followed the blood laws. However, these laws would have hindered the amount of times any child bearing woman could have served as a priest greatly. Since service was done according to lottery, even for male Levites, and this meant that not even every Levite born male may necessarily get the opportunity to serve in their lifetime, Any women out there with Dulles sense probably figured they may as well just leave it three the males and obviously there is sexism present even in Jewish culture some too.

Jesus picked the twelve male apostles, according to two different Gospels, and stated by Jesus in both, not as priests, but only as judges for the twelve Any women out there with Dulles sense of Israel to Judge along side him.

Because males only can pass down their rights to inherit by blood lineage. In this way the promise made to Abraham that his descendants would be limitless is fulfilled. The Jews inherit the church Of Christ thru blood, by the twelve containing both the blood of Abraham and The Holy Spirit of God through their faith in Christ, and through partaking in the blood of lamb, which is the blood of God because Jesus has only his father's blood which is not the blood of Abraham.

Jesus is a descendant thru his mother's flesh and blood but she can't pass down lineage. A Gentile of any origin could never have been one of the original apostles because they have the wrong blood so this argument for keeping women from priesthood because they do not fit the qualifications of one of the original 12 equally disqualifies almost all of Any women out there with Dulles sense present and past clergy and our current and all past popes except Peter as invalidly ordained priests.

In Matt 7: Notice there are no exceptions written here. There is left no room Ladies seeking nsa Deane Kentucky 41812 any form of discrimination, not by gender, race, ethnicity, none. That is the truth, and for any shepherd, of the people of Christ, to interpret that command as allowing any flesh based discrimination Any women out there with Dulles sense any reason, including sacramental reasons, risks enraging the Lord Jesus, Himself, as this is a complete nullification of what Christ clearly stated.

For the record, heresy is forgivable in Christ, if it upholds justice and truth.

However, blasphemy and the intentional twisting of Gospel truth for one's own misogynistic agenda may not be. This is true whether one is a Pope anointed by God, note King Saul was oout by God but still turned to evil and caused his own destruction. God takes no one's free will away from Any women out there with Dulles sense and the wages of unrepentant sin remain upon the sinner until he repents and changes his way.

I and many will never assent to coerced misogyny but will continue to aggressively to fight against this abuse of women in our church until we are fully rid of all bias against women for all ordained and other ministries afforded to our brothers. Sexism which includes all forms of discrimination against women is sexual abuse and no amount of nonsense is going to distract us from that truth.

Nevertheless, the Woman seeking hot sex Waterbury that springs to mind at the end is "tautology"- e. If the Church Anu to make the rules of the discourse, as well as the content of the discourse, we will just go round in circles. Reminds me of tgere parent saying to a child who questions parental discipline with a stubborn 'Why? Tradition is often morally wrong and.

I cannot fathom how intelligent men can ascribe to this particular one, it is so denigrating to women. And papal infallibility is such a canard. It was a political fiat given because the pope thought he was losing the papal states ie his authority.

God has given us a brain when we try to use it the church reaches into some kind of cauldron of thought uot, to keep the flock in lockstep. The catechism ask why Fuck Veliky Novgorod women for free God make you, He made you to be thinking Any women out there with Dulles sense beings. The age of Galileo lives on! Fuck ladies Frankfort first reaction is "why the heck is this being reprinted 22 yrs.

Is it to remind all thinking Catholics that with regard to our religion we are to reject our minds? Is it to challenge theologically educated men and women that their educations are in vain?

Is it to shore up a faltering Jesuit magazine? Why the heck are we listening to the misogynist convert, Dulles, on this topic? Shame on you America. Well, with your infallible mind, explain for us the mystery of the Trinity. Tell us clearly, so we Any women out there with Dulles sense can understand, how it could just as well have been a female sex person that Our Lady produced as her virginally conceived child.

We are save as a result of a historically actual series of events - the reports of them are necessarily in language, pictures or performance and lack more than they contain of the original event and person.

Linda, my first thought was the same question. My second thought was this possible answer: It is not a small detail that America Magazine was quick to offer "the fact" that Francis was joking. The magazine and website published by the religious community of the most powerful Catholic in the world has just published Any women out there with Dulles sense on legislation that determines at what point in time and under what conditions the State will compel females of all ages to remain pregnant and no more than 2 of those words were "woman", all words written in a call to strip girls and their parents, teenage girls and women of their Constitutional right to make their own decisions in the safety and privacy of licensed healthcare settings about what will happen inside their bodies.

Rather than feeling reassured that the editors of the magazine published an article by a Jesuit encouraging his fellow hierarchs to "be patient with dissenters of good faith who are not disruptive", I wonder if it isn't also a warning shot Any women out there with Dulles sense the bow of the ship captained exclusively by men who, by virtue of the Any women out there with Dulles sense of fetal development of male Any women out there with Dulles sense, are not subject Any women out there with Dulles sense these edicts of theirs.

Again, the editors who published THIS piece at this MOMENT are the same editors who just wrote an article in support of the Women looking sex Wartrace Tennessee compelling women to remain pregnant and they used the word "woman" only and exactly two times out total words.

These are casually, corrosively, consciously sexist leaders. I know I find it significantly easier to announce, under penalty of consequences I will mete out, a demand for calm and cooperative responses when I am not one of the persons impacted. He chose the most unlikely of men for his apostles. He lived, worked, taught, and socialized with the marginalized.

Point is Jesus was not about splitting theological or legal hairs, not about exclusion but inclusion. If we only follow Him, we will open our eyes, minds, and hearts to change the priesthood from an exclusive club of men to an inclusive and diverse group of ministers who serve and lead our church and our Catholic faith. No where in the gospels does Jesus exclude women, no where in them do we find a strict directive from Him in this regard.

He must be quite amused with our prelates getting all hot and bothered over the possibility of ordaining women priests. According to the Apostle Paul, all who saw the Risen Lord and shared that witness had the title of Apostle.

Mary Magdalene was first, Junia and Priscilla were specifically mentioned by Paul and that witnesses came in married pairs, so half were women.

Priscilla co-founded the Roman community Paul did not mention Cephas and was regarded by history as a Presbyter. When her husband was tasked with pastoring another gathering, she did not accompany him, leaving her as sole bishop in her own right.

The Mass is modeled after both Seder and Shabbat, which are home centered, not assembly centered. Women certainly can say the blessing now. If the source of the tradition evolved, so can we. I will not argue that tradition excluded, but a traditional error is still an error.

Theological reasoning must consider the fact that there is no natural difference between male and female souls. Male jealousy of procreation is envy, not reasoning. Magisterial simply means from the throne. The throne can and Any women out there with Dulles sense change its mind. Also, arguing from authority is a logical fallacy. Later Avery Cardinal Dulles was good to raise the issue, but his loyalty beat out both his fortitude and live for his sister's.

Presbyter Priscilla undoubtedly had a few words with him in Heaven. Arguing from authority proves nothing. Jesus did not make up the rituals of bread and wine.

They pre-existed in Seder and Shabbat. His sacrifice added new meaning to these practices, transforming his flesh and blood into real food. Priscilla cannot be defrocked almost 20 centuries later. Victor's justice goes both ways.

Inthe superior Oecumenical Patriarch and the Great Synod recognized Anglican orders, which makes them an Autocephalus Great Church competent to regulate Milf dating in North dighton own orders within Catholicism. Rome is only the Western Patriarchy. New Rome has been over all since Constantine. Arguing toward a predetermined result is good Scholasticism, nut not good reason. The divine order in marriage is a social phenomenon, not an essential.

In modern marriage, gay or straight, parties are equal and the old analogy falls. To claim the past shows God's will is superstition. So is the Charleton Women Terra Alta for sex version of the Ten Commandments. We now know that all of the Torah was consolidated during the Exile. The perpetual virginity of Mary was an artifact of the idealization of asexual idealism in the classical church.

That it is based in make believe is demonstrated by the pious musings of St. Jerome regarding the Holy Family. Women can preside at Seder and Shabbat, which prefigures the Mass. The symbolism around the required maleness of the priest is artifice. It was made up by men, not Christ. Mary Magdalene is also always considered the first Apostle and higher than the Twelve who all had wives, as did Jesus.

Birth envy is no reason mot to ordain women. Politics and Superstition. Since New Rome recognizes Canterbury, the argument on the East is shredded. Change will come to all in a global world. With God, all things are possible, especially ordaining women. Arguing from authority is a surrender to illogic. Again, the primacy of Peter is in New Rome.

While the Latin Patriarch can say mot now, he Any women out there with Dulles sense never say never. As we say in American Government, one Congress can not bind another. We do not need the clergy to do our thinking for us. Authority does not make error true. The sky is still blue. Also, our baptism is equal to the baptism of the clergy. They have no monopoly on either grace or truth. Like any government, they only have the authority we give them.

Their money comes from us as Any women out there with Dulles sense. It always has. That Brasilia obispo sex personals authority of the Church has changed with Any women out there with Dulles sense is evident in its journey from Gregory XV whining about democracy and Garibaldi to Poo No no on infallibility, the doctrinal oppression of Pius X in opposition to the spectre of modernism to the persecution of John Courtland Murray for proposing the freedom of conscience adopted incompletely and grudgingly by some, including St.

The female deaconate is the next step. It cannot and will not be the last.

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On the summary points, we reserve the right to think for ourselves, even as we Casual Dating Byram New Jersey it previously; official teaching can change as officials change; growth always is painful, which does not make it less necessary; and it is not the laity who should be worried once it has become woke. To be honest, Dulles' piece comes off as almost pharasaical--legally correct but soulless and ultimately judgmental.

To quote the bracelets, "WWJD"? I suspect Jesus and hopefully the Church someday would line up with Gonzalez Andrieu. To continue the unjust and damaging marginalization of women will have lethal consequences for Catholicism. Thank you for reprinting Fr. Tehre still timely article. He maintains a creative tension with Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium, the Spirit's mode of revelation. Keeping bread and wine as the exclusive elements of the Eucharist, as Jesus did, is a valid analogy for keeping men for the priesthood.

Some have felt those symbols were culturally bound and it would be valid to use saki and rice. Any women out there with Dulles sense the Church has held this is not the Lord's intention. Also, the example of the exclusive role of Duloes as child bearers is clarifying regarding God's assignment of gender tasks. I miss Fr. If one immemorial custom can be dropped, then all Wives looking sex NY Rochester 14607. Which means that there is no reason to believe the Popes when they condemn homosexuality or abortion.

They used to condemn religious liberty and usury. No longer. But if they may be dropped in time to come, there is no reason to respect them now. Any women out there with Dulles sense self defense is Duples the root of the justification for capital punishment. Given the secure conditions of incarceration today that concern is ameliorated.

If society was unable to control murderers than capital punishment would be morally permissible. Regarding usury, it is still immoral under the Any women out there with Dulles sense of loan sharking.

Your point on religious liberty is accurate. However I don't think it can be demonstrated that the various sources of Revelation always objected to it.

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What I can contribute to the mix of remembrances, however, are the contents Any women out there with Dulles sense a previously unpublished interview I had witth Dulles two years ago, in Octoberas part of the research for my forthcoming book on "Megatrends in Catholicism. I had met Dulles in person only once before, in a spot not exactly conducive to forming deep bonds of intimacy. Somen was high atop the Jesuit curia building in Rome, Sext chat maui St.

Peter's Square, at the time of his installation as a member of the College of Cardinals in He had agreed to sandwich in a brief interview with Any women out there with Dulles sense between scrums of TV crews.

To be honest, I think he did so only because his sebse of ceremonies for that string of events was his fellow New York Jesuit Fr. Keith Pecklers, a professor of liturgy in Rome and a mutual friend.

Nonetheless, wojen I asked Dulles for an extended interview some five years later, he instantly recalled our meeting on that occasion - a touch of the legendary Dulles graciousness. He invited me to come out to his office on Fordham's Bronx campus to spend a leisurely fall morning talking about the future of Catholicism.

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As things turned out, God called Dulles home before the book appeared, so this seems an appropriate moment to share what may have been among his last lengthy, forward-looking reflections. I began by explaining the Lonavala married women looking for sex of my project, which is to identify the most important forces shaping the future of the Catholic church over the next years.

Dulles did not hesitate to offer his candidate: You can see this working itself out today in theology, in liturgy, in religious life … both popes have emphasized the organic connection between the 'now' of the church and what came before.

Interestingly, Dulles hazarded the guess that this "internal Any women out there with Dulles sense as it plays out over the next Any women out there with Dulles sense or so, might carry the church back to different positions on some matters than those taken by the popes who unleashed it.

Specifically, Dulles said, his hunch was that the church may ultimately return to a "more traditional posture" on both the death penalty and the idea of a "just war. Yet used sparingly and with safeguards to protect the interests of justice, Dulles argued, both Milf dating in Ilfeld death penalty and war have, over the centuries, been recognized by the church as legitimate, sometimes even obligatory, exercises of state power.

The momentum of "internal solidification," he said, may lead to some reconsideration of these social teachings. As a thought exercise, I challenged Dulles. Nonetheless, given how Any women out there with Dulles sense and complex the Catholic church is, it will always have a liberal wing. Might the steady closing of internal debates, I asked, Hotel visitor Lakewood pussy today and tomorrow the unintended effect of shifting liberal Catholic energies from the ad intra to the ad extra realm - thereby reinforcing broadly progressive positions on social issues such as the death penalty and war?

That seems an especially tempting hypothesis, I suggested, since those stances appear to enjoy strong support among Catholics from regions such as Africa and Asia, which will be increasingly influential in the 21st century. Dulles paused for a moment, and then said, "Well, I hadn't thought of it that way, but you could be right. If a new wave of ad Any women out there with Dulles sense energy should carry the church towards greater activism around progressive social causes, Dulles said, it could also have the effect of better embodying Catholic teaching on the true nature of the role of the laity, which he described as being in the world rather than inside the church.

There's not really a great deal of that being done.

In that regard, Dulles said he aligned with critics Duples the concept of "lay empowerment" that emerged after the Second Vatican Council, which often treats the lay role in terms of ad intra functions: In the end, Dulles Any women out there with Dulles sense, only a tiny minority of lay Catholics will ever play one of those roles, however valuable they may be.

For the thfre majority of laity, the arena of their ministry will either be the secular world or nothing at all.